109 | How Merve quadrupled her clients and 2.5x’d her coaching revenue in one Year
This week, Jo Lott interviews Merve K. Hokamp, who shares her remarkable journey of building a successful coaching business after leaving her corporate role at Google. Merve reveals how she transformed from a small-scale coach with just a handful of clients to a thriving business owner with streamlined systems and quadrupled client base.
Episode Highlights:
[00:03:00] Merve's background and initial challenges
[00:06:00] Mindset shift from solopreneur to CEO
[00:12:00] Key Strategic Actions & Impressive results
[00:19:14] Biggest Takeaway: Success requires the right combination of mindset, structure, and consistency
[00:22:00] Advice for new coaches: The ABCs of coaching success - Authenticity (be yourself), Belief (trust the process), and Consistency (keep showing up)
"I truly believe I would have gotten here eventually - but in 10 years instead of one. Investing in the right support fast-tracks your success." – Merve
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Hello and welcome to Women in the Coaching arena podcast.
Speaker A:I'm so glad you're here.
Speaker A:I'm Jo Lott, a business mentor and ICF accredited coach and I help coaches to build brilliant businesses.
Speaker B:I know that when you prepare to.
Speaker A:Enter the arena there is fear, self doubt, comparison, anxiety, uncertainty.
Speaker A:You can tend to armour up and protect yourself from vulnerability.
Speaker A:In this podcast I'll be sharing honest, not hype, practical and emotional tools to.
Speaker B:Support you to make the difference that.
Speaker A:You'Re here for dare greatly you belong in this arena.
Speaker B:Hello, welcome to episode 109 of Women in the Coaching Arena.
Speaker B:I am so glad you are here.
Speaker B:I'm delighted to share a case study conversation with the wonderful Merve Hockamp.
Speaker B:Merve has worked with me in two.
Speaker C:Of my programs so far and is.
Speaker B:An absolute joy because she brings so much enthusiasm.
Speaker B:She actively implements tries new things.
Speaker B:So I'm delighted to share her story with you on how she built her coaching business after leaving her previous employment.
Speaker C:At Google and literally building it from the ground up.
Speaker B:I hope you enjoy this conversation.
Speaker D:Hi Merve, thank you so much for agreeing to reflect on your journey with me.
Speaker D:It was an absolute journey joy to.
Speaker C:Work with you in two of my programs so far.
Speaker C:So I cannot wait to hear because usually these conversations I hear more than I've ever heard before about amazing wins and all the things that have happened.
Speaker D:So please do share a bit about.
Speaker C:You and what you do.
Speaker E:Yeah Hi Joan, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker E:I'm really excited to be here.
Speaker E:About Me Marbe is my name.
Speaker E:I'm originally from Istanbul, Turkey but have.
Speaker F:Lived all around the world pretty much.
Speaker F:But now I'm based in Dublin, Ireland.
Speaker E:I have about 11 years of a corporate career in tech.
Speaker F:I was at Google and before that I was in management consulting which is where I started my career and I.
Speaker E:Now run my own coaching business.
Speaker E:So I have left my tech job.
Speaker F:To start my executive and business coaching business Lead Rise coaching.
Speaker E:I have leaders grow their businesses, build high performing teams and advance their careers.
Speaker D:I'm trying to think back now as.
Speaker C:To exactly when you joined the program.
Speaker C:I know you did offer to market first.
Speaker C:Thinking back to probably 12 months ish.
Speaker D:Maybe a bit longer or so ago.
Speaker C:Can you remember when that was and what was going on for you at the time?
Speaker E:Yeah, I mean I was following you for a while before I decided to.
Speaker F:Join first offer to market at Veep Said and then I fell in love with it, the process and your offering and I joined business as coaching right.
Speaker E:After that before I Decided to join, offer to market.
Speaker F:I think I was maybe the last.
Speaker E:Person to join at midnight, right before the program kicked off, I thought really naive and really frustrated because I thought, look, I have leadership experience myself.
Speaker F:Currently, I help leaders.
Speaker E:I have studied business.
Speaker F:I have an mba.
Speaker E:I was on the business side of.
Speaker F:The tech world that I was in.
Speaker E:So I have the experience, I have the theory, I have the education.
Speaker E:I was a consultant before, so I've got that as well.
Speaker E:And then of course, I had my ICF accreditation and everything.
Speaker E:So the coaching, I have it covered now.
Speaker E:I make the cake, I have all the ingredients, I'm going to go for it and it's going to work and it's going to be great.
Speaker E:Why wouldn't I get all the clients.
Speaker F:Wow them, have these amazing streamlined processes.
Speaker E:Make a lot of money and have great impact in the world, right?
Speaker E:Turns out that's not how it works, and that's what your program gave me.
Speaker E:You need to understand how business of coaching works as a process and what results you're after and what the people who can support you are do.
Speaker E:You need the structure of the framework and you also need community.
Speaker E:You also need somebody who's an expert, who can handhold you sometimes, but also, even though you're the one who's doing it yourself, who can champion you, who.
Speaker F:Can support you, who can cheer you on.
Speaker E:So I think before I joined the program, I was oblivious a little bit.
Speaker E:And in terms of the reality of it, I did have clients, I did.
Speaker F:Have my business set up.
Speaker E:I did have some processes, which, looking back, I don't know if I want to call them processes compared to what I have now.
Speaker E:But I did set it up and I was very much feeling like a person who had friends.
Speaker E:My friend's friends were my clients.
Speaker F:I had maybe five or six clients at the time when I joined.
Speaker F:I know you'll ask the question.
Speaker F:I'm sure it looks different now.
Speaker C:That's such a joy to hear because I think there's so much resistance, especially if people have a marketing background or a specific business background or do business coaching themselves, then it's easy to think that you don't need that support because you know all the stuff.
Speaker C:So it's really powerful to hear that because it's just hard to do it for yourself, isn't it?
Speaker E:A hundred percent.
Speaker E:And also there's too much to do, not enough time.
Speaker E:So you need to think about, okay, what do I do today and what do I not do today and what's the next step after to do today, you're kind of walking in the dark and you need maybe a flashlight so that you can see the end of the tunnel.
Speaker C:Yeah, I hear you.
Speaker D:So you joined the program, which is amazing.
Speaker C:Tell me what was most helpful for you from the program?
Speaker E:Lots of things.
Speaker E:One, I would say the frameworks.
Speaker E:It was so valuable for me to understand the step by step process, to know that it's validated and proven.
Speaker E:And I followed your step by step process process, which I really appreciated.
Speaker E:Also.
Speaker E:With that process, I wasn't asking myself.
Speaker F:All these questions of am I doing the right thing?
Speaker E:I just trusted it.
Speaker E:That was really, really valuable.
Speaker E:I think also, you don't know what you don't know.
Speaker E:Since your program, I've been on lots of podcasts and that started with one of our calls.
Speaker F:I remember when we were talking about.
Speaker E:Exponential growth and I think you mentioned, oh, podcasts.
Speaker E:And I was like, oh, well that's interesting.
Speaker E:I listen to podcasts.
Speaker E:I could be on podcasts.
Speaker E:How do I even go about it?
Speaker E:It just never had occurred to me before.
Speaker E:Similarly with my social media marketing, I was doing it before too, but I didn't realize how often or what are some compelling posts.
Speaker E:When it was told to me or we workshopped it together, I understood it immediately, but it just wasn't something I.
Speaker F:Had thought about before.
Speaker E:There's a lot of unknown unknowns and the program helped shed a light on those.
Speaker E:So the process and the wisdom.
Speaker E:Secondly, of course, the community.
Speaker E:Because, you know, like, I'm an extroverted person.
Speaker F:I'm sure that's going to come as.
Speaker E:A surprise to you.
Speaker E:I don't do much talking in your.
Speaker F:Program, but I'm an extroverted person.
Speaker E:So I think when I was at Google, for example, it's a huge company, right?
Speaker E:We had about 10,000 people in Dublin at the moment.
Speaker F:In the office, I worked with global.
Speaker E:Teams, so I was always around people, particularly as an extroverted person.
Speaker E:But in general too, of course, it's good to sound check certain things and brainstorm together.
Speaker E:And I think that's been really valuable.
Speaker F:Because a business owner, a solopreneur, it.
Speaker E:Can get lonely sometimes.
Speaker E:I think that support is really valuable.
Speaker F:And then the ideation was really valuable.
Speaker E:And thirdly, I hope this doesn't sound very sappy, but I think you was the.
Speaker E:You're an inspiration.
Speaker E:I think you don't just talk the talk, but you walk the talk.
Speaker E:You are very tech savvy, for example.
Speaker E:That's super inspirational.
Speaker E:I remember one of the calls you were like, oh.
Speaker E:So I just discovered that there's this function that when you're doing your own work, because we would have these 5 minute, 10 minute, like, okay, now that.
Speaker F:We have the exercise, like, go and jot down your notes, type of like, let's all be quiet, do our thing.
Speaker E:And then come back and debrief in your program.
Speaker E:And you're like, okay, well, we have this new feature on Zoom that I can now play music while you're doing that for inspiration.
Speaker E:And you played music.
Speaker E:And I was like, oh, that's cool.
Speaker E:So how do I do that for my Zoom participants, for my group calls, for my coaches?
Speaker E:Is it a huge thing that you can play music on Zoom?
Speaker E:No, but I think of every call that we have.
Speaker F:And also you're also very involved outside of the calls.
Speaker E:There's something that you're learning, there's something that you're.
Speaker E:You're doing that is making you grow, that you share with us.
Speaker F:Now, I know we do LinkedIn, for example.
Speaker F:You're doing a LinkedIn accelerator.
Speaker E:So we're kind of joining your journey because you want to share and we're learning from you and getting inspired by what you're doing.
Speaker E:That, to me is really important.
Speaker E:I didn't want a mentor who would just tell me what to do, but who would also show me and inspire me.
Speaker F:And I think I found that you.
Speaker D:Oh, that's so amazing.
Speaker D:I love it.
Speaker C:When I reflect back on programs I've been in, I've actually learned more from watching the person run the program and the back end and the, the contract I receive or like, all of the stuff, like, really inspires you and helps you think about how you can apply that to your business as well.
Speaker C:So thank you.
Speaker C:That's the best thing I think anyone's ever said to me because it's exactly what I want to do.
Speaker E:Oh, it's so true.
Speaker E:Also, the support that you give, you have the support from the program and the unity of, like, we're all in.
Speaker F:This together type of camaraderie.
Speaker E:Other programs are courses have the teacher, the trainer, the facilitator, and they're there for you, but they're not there for you individually.
Speaker E:They're there for you as a group.
Speaker E:And you might be lucky to ask your question and get it answered on the call.
Speaker E:Whereas for you, you hold space for the group, but you're also available for us individually.
Speaker E:I know that there have been times when I had my first client who I got from Google, I messaged immediately, and I think maybe it was A Friday evening.
Speaker F:I was like, joe, no rush.
Speaker E:But I just had to tell you that this happened, that somebody came to me.
Speaker E:I'm not just a person who has friends.
Speaker E:Like, no, I'm a real business.
Speaker E:There are people who are random and coming to me.
Speaker E:You celebrated it with me and then you told me, okay, so now that you have that, you can do this other thing.
Speaker E:And I'm so excited about this other thing.
Speaker E:And then I sent you another voice message about what I had planned.
Speaker E:I think you're there for us to celebrate our wins, but also you're thinking.
Speaker F:With us individually and sharing your own experience.
Speaker E:You're also experimenting and trying things yourself, learning for us.
Speaker E:Just it's that Brene Brown Brown thing, right?
Speaker E:You're yourself vulnerable or you're yourself pushing your own limits.
Speaker F:And so that in itself is very inspirational and extremely supportive.
Speaker C:Effy, thank goodness me, I feel like.
Speaker D:Crying, especially with the Brene Brown reference.
Speaker C:Because obviously that's the podcast inspiration name.
Speaker C:So thank you so, so much, Merve.
Speaker C:It means a lot to me.
Speaker D:And if we're now thinking 12 months.
Speaker C:Or so on from when we first met, what does life look like now?
Speaker E:I feel like I've come a long.
Speaker F:Way from being a solopreneur to now.
Speaker E:I feel like a CEO.
Speaker F:I can proudly and vulnerably say I.
Speaker E:Have a streamlined business.
Speaker F:One of the goals that I had set for myself was that my business was going to be making money and generating leads while I sleep.
Speaker E:That was really important to me and right now that is happening now I.
Speaker F:Have plans to really grow that and streamline that for the future.
Speaker F:But right now I get my lead for new clients for my group programs and from my one to one coaching.
Speaker F:I also have corporates reaching out to me.
Speaker E:So that's really valuable to me.
Speaker F:I feel very proud to have done.
Speaker E:That and I think that took lots of effort, lots of energy and also lots of systems and lots of maybe self belief which you helped me a lot with because I didn't always believe in myself.
Speaker E:But I think just showing up consistently.
Speaker F:Has really paid off.
Speaker F:Now in terms of numbers which I am dated and numbered here than come from a Google background.
Speaker E:I have 20 give or take regular clients right now.
Speaker F:I have worked that I did my year end reflection last year and I have 2.5x my revenue for my business and it's a year before I feel like I have systems right now and.
Speaker E:I have simplified my offering.
Speaker F:I think that was one of the things that you helped me with at the beginning because I was like okay.
Speaker E:Here are the 17 things that I'm doing.
Speaker E:What should I do, Joe?
Speaker E:And you're like okay, first of all just take a chill pill and do one and do it really well and.
Speaker F:Then we can go from there.
Speaker E:So I think now I have my.
Speaker F:One to one coaching.
Speaker F:I have a group coaching program called Momentum, that's for leaders and then I also offer workshops for corporates and also for individuals.
Speaker E:So those are my three things that I do.
Speaker F:And I have systems around them that.
Speaker E:I have fine tuned so I feel a lot more confident.
Speaker E:I have a lot more ownership and.
Speaker F:Control and systems operational efficiency.
Speaker C:Love it.
Speaker C:And I actually don't know the answer to this question so I'm really interested to ask it because I know you have young children like younger than mine.
Speaker C:I would love to know our wise and freedom wise what does your working.
Speaker B:Week generally look like?
Speaker E:I don't know if you like the answer to this.
Speaker E:I do love what I have.
Speaker E:I can always do better but I actually work a lot.
Speaker F:However, I have some non negotiables.
Speaker E:For instance on Wednesdays after 2 I am with my daughter.
Speaker E:That's a half day for me.
Speaker E:I pick her up from school, I.
Speaker F:Bring her to our activities, we have her, you know, mom and daughter, lunch or chat hours.
Speaker E:She's seven and so that's something that I always keep and I don't care.
Speaker F:How much demand there is or how much I have to do, that's just there and that's really important to me.
Speaker F:I'm always done at a certain hour every day so that I can spend time with my kids before they go to bed and that's like a good two to three hours and I'm there with them present.
Speaker E:Some evenings I work.
Speaker E:I also work with a global client base and I'm based in Dublin, Ireland's time zone.
Speaker F:Sometimes it's good that I have evening hours for my UF clients and some days I start earlier for my APAC clients.
Speaker E:I flex around but I also have.
Speaker F:My own non negotiables that you know.
Speaker E:Certain evenings, on Tuesday evenings for example.
Speaker F:I go for my swimming and again I don't care that you know, my husband earlier this week for example was traveling but then I asked a friend to come and watch the kids while they're sleeping so that I can go to my swimming.
Speaker E:So I make sure that I have.
Speaker F:My yoga swimming in my time with.
Speaker E:My kids in But I do not.
Speaker F:Really keep a strict I guess like.
Speaker E:I only work during the day or I don't work Weekends type of thing.
Speaker E:So I have infinite flexibility and freedom.
Speaker D:Oh, interesting to be honest.
Speaker E:Yeah.
Speaker D:No, please don't feel bad.
Speaker D:I think it's good for people to.
Speaker C:Know the honest truth, that it takes.
Speaker D:A lot of work when you first.
Speaker C:Start, especially like eventually it will become less.
Speaker C:But it's really important and I don't ever want to attract the type of client who is out there going, oh.
Speaker D:I can just do two hours a.
Speaker C:Week and generate a sustainable long term, great salary from a coaching business.
Speaker C:It's not going to work.
Speaker C:I don't want you as a client.
Speaker C:You need to be committed and you need to put the work in.
Speaker C:So thank you for sharing it.
Speaker E:That's it.
Speaker E:I mean, you got to be realistic.
Speaker F:And maybe we'll talk about it when.
Speaker E:We talk about my plans for the future.
Speaker E:But I do want to systemize a bit more to cut the overhead so that I can be more efficient so.
Speaker F:That I can actually spend my time doing more strategic stuff as opposed to rescheduling appointments and sending contracts to my coaches.
Speaker F:I really want to systemize that and.
Speaker E:I want my systems to just run that.
Speaker E:I want to use more AI.
Speaker E:Of course, that's a big thing in.
Speaker F:This day and age, isn't it?
Speaker E:So that I can reduce the time spent on operational overhead and spend more.
Speaker F:Time thinking about my business, business developing.
Speaker E:Strategizing and my vision.
Speaker E:That's always something that I will continue to tweak and better as we go.
Speaker E:But initially, you know, so a lot you don't know that you don't know and a lot that you can't delegate to AI or another human before you actually understand what it takes.
Speaker E:I don't want a coaching platform to take over my onboarding because I don't know what works in my onboarding.
Speaker E:So I use a lot of platforms.
Speaker F:In a lot of tech, but maybe.
Speaker E:They'Re a little bit more piecemeal right now.
Speaker E: w I have system first, so now: Speaker F:On to systemize that and get my.
Speaker E:Agentic AI to take over so that.
Speaker F:I can save time and put that time into other things.
Speaker E:But it does take a while to get to a point where you can eliminate, delegate, automate this kind of work.
Speaker F:So that you can spend less time on things and make more money.
Speaker C:Love it.
Speaker D:And what would you say is your.
Speaker C:Biggest takeaway from the program?
Speaker E:Oh, there are so many.
Speaker E:Maybe this is too high level, but that being vulnerable and again that maybe.
Speaker F:Goes to the Brene Brown and experimentation.
Speaker E:And being open to new things and that's just really important.
Speaker E:It does take time and energy.
Speaker E:You need people around you, you need.
Speaker F:Resources around you, but you will do it.
Speaker E:It's possible.
Speaker E:You just need to start somewhere, get.
Speaker F:The right people around you, get the right support, get the right resources and then you're off to the races.
Speaker F:It's going to work out for you.
Speaker E:I think the biggest thing that I.
Speaker F:Got then is the process and the confidence to make it happen.
Speaker C:Love it.
Speaker D:Thank you so much.
Speaker D:Merve, tell me more as to what's next for you.
Speaker E:I think scale is my big thing.
Speaker E: So I have two things for: Speaker E:Spaciousness is one, which I know that we have.
Speaker F:I've mentioned that to you before.
Speaker E:So I want to feel a bit more spacious and that means I have.
Speaker F:To create space system or optimize my.
Speaker E:Systems so I can cut the switching.
Speaker F:Cost of all the things I'm doing and have more blocks of time where I'm strategizing, visioning and creating new things.
Speaker F:I think that's my big thing.
Speaker E:Specifically and concretely, I'm now doing planning.
Speaker F:At the beginning of the year.
Speaker F:I have four workshops, so one spot.
Speaker E:Per quarter that are open to public.
Speaker F:My next one that's coming up is going to be on productivity and managing your energy and time.
Speaker E:More corporate engagements this year that I am planning.
Speaker F:So lots of training, lots of workshops that I'm really, really excited about and some partnerships also in that department.
Speaker E:I'm getting my LEGO Serious Play facilitator certification now so that I can, I can offer that to corporates.
Speaker F:So I'm really excited about that because.
Speaker E:I'm big on, you know, playful and grounded leadership through hands on experiencing as well.
Speaker E:So lots of corporate work and I think just continuing on with my one.
Speaker F:To one work with my clients too.
Speaker E:Because I really, really enjoy that because.
Speaker F:There'S something very special that you get from that individual relationship that is perfect, personalized.
Speaker C:I haven't heard of Lego play.
Speaker D:Is that a qualification or tell me more.
Speaker E:It's a qualification.
Speaker E:So it's, it is from Lego, like LEGO from Denmark.
Speaker E:And the idea, I mean the overarching.
Speaker F:Idea is that, you know, you never stop to.
Speaker E:Or maybe it's a should.
Speaker E:You never should stop to be a kid.
Speaker E:Remember when we're kids and we used.
Speaker F:To play with our Legos and kind of lose track of time and you know, Legos are really good because it.
Speaker E:Will inspire creativity but at the same time you're building Something So it's very.
Speaker F:Hands on and involved.
Speaker F:It needs to be robust, but it.
Speaker E:Needs to be flexible because there's pieces.
Speaker F:So there's a lot that goes into it.
Speaker E:And then if you're doing it with other people, of course, then like teamwork.
Speaker F:And collaboration and then soft skills around.
Speaker E:How do you communicate, how do you.
Speaker F:Focus on the process, results and people.
Speaker E:So that qualification and certification for trainers.
Speaker F:And then I can offer it to.
Speaker E:Corporate leadership teams where they come together.
Speaker F:And there's different simulations in different cases and scenarios that you put them in and then they have to communicate, create and build.
Speaker C:God, that sounds so exciting.
Speaker D:Thank you for sharing.
Speaker E:From the receiving end too.
Speaker E:I love it because you get to.
Speaker F:Put yourself in a situation where you maybe discover yourself a little bit and your own skill sets and your shortcomings as well as your strength in the team environment.
Speaker C:Yeah, love it.
Speaker D:And finally, would you recommend the program.
Speaker C:And if so, who too?
Speaker E:I recommend your program a hundred percent.
Speaker F:Of course I do.
Speaker E:It's been a game changer for me and I recommend it to everybody who.
Speaker F:Is at the beginning of their journey.
Speaker E:But also people who are later on in their journey.
Speaker F:Because you really need the support of an expert expert.
Speaker F:You need the inspiration and you need accountability from other people to succeed in business.
Speaker F:Just coming from my personal experience, I speak to a lot of people who are saying like, well, you don't really need that.
Speaker E:Or they might be in a position.
Speaker F:That they have certain experiences or qualifications.
Speaker E:That they feel will be, will be sufficient, which they're good enough, but they're just not enough.
Speaker E:And I think doing your program has.
Speaker F:Really accelerated my progress.
Speaker E:I think I would have been here.
Speaker F:Maybe without your program, but in like 10 years as opposed to in a year.
Speaker E:So I think that people should focus.
Speaker F:On that return, on investment and that's investment in time as well as investment of energy and heart.
Speaker D:And if you were going to give.
Speaker C:Some advice to your former self, perhaps if there's someone listening, that's earlier in their journey, a year back, perhaps from where you are now, what advice would you give them?
Speaker E:I would say trust the process, be yourself and show up for yourself.
Speaker E:That's my ABC that I talk to my coaches about authenticity.
Speaker F:So you have to be authentically yourself.
Speaker E:Don't do something that's fake.
Speaker F:There are these coaches on social media that might say, work for two hours.
Speaker E:And make your seven figures tomorrow.
Speaker E:I don't even know if that's possible, but I find that that's not me.
Speaker F:You have to be authentically yourself.
Speaker F:And do what's authentically organic for you.
Speaker E:My B is belief.
Speaker E:Believe in yourself, trust the process C.
Speaker F:Is really important, the consistency right?
Speaker F:You have to keep showing up even.
Speaker E:If you have one like on your LinkedIn post, you have to show up again the next day.
Speaker E:The next day surely enough then you.
Speaker F:Get like a thousand likes because you just showed up.
Speaker E:It's that compounding effect.
Speaker F:So that's what I would say to people who are just starting out.
Speaker D:Thank you so much Merve.
Speaker D:You were an absolute joy to work.
Speaker C:With and so glad that we are.
Speaker D:Keeping in touch with my LinkedIn goal and co coaching and sharing all of.
Speaker C:That journey as well.
Speaker E:Thank you so much for this opportunity.
Speaker F:It's been a lovely conversation and it.
Speaker E:Has also given me the opportunity to reflect.
Speaker F:Thank you.
Speaker D:You are so welcome.
Speaker D:Thank you Merve.
Speaker B:I hope you enjoyed reflecting on Merve's journey.
Speaker B:I love her final point with the ABC a authentically yourself b belief in yourself and c consistency.
Speaker B:They are wonderful ingredients for a successful coaching business.
Speaker B:If you would like my help, as Merve did in implementing all of the things, then do get in touch.
Speaker B:You will find the details to the Business of Coaching program in the show Notes and I have consistently filled the program every month for many many years, but given Easter's timings I am probably not going to be having an intake until the 6th of May and I only take on five people per month.
Speaker B:So do get in soon if you know you want to focus and get support in your business just as Merve did.
Speaker B:Have a wonderful day and like I always say, trust yourself, believe in yourself and be the wise gardener who keeps on watering the seed.
Speaker A:Thank you so much for listening to this episode of Women in the Coaching Arena.
Speaker A:I have a mass of free resources on my website.
Speaker A:JoannaLottCoaching.com that's Joanna with an A and Lott with two Ts.
Speaker A:JoannaLottCoaching dot com and I'll also put.
Speaker B:Links in the show notes below.
Speaker A:Let me know if you found this episode useful.
Speaker A:Share it with a friend and leave me a review and I will personally thank you for that.
Speaker A:Remember to trust yourself, believe in yourself and be the wise gardener who keeps on watering the seed.
Speaker A:Get into the arena, dare greatly and try.
